Legislature(2023 - 2024)GRUENBERG 120

03/10/2023 01:00 PM House JUDICIARY

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01:00:52 PM Start
01:01:50 PM Confirmation Hearing(s)|| Select Committee on Legislative Ethics
01:37:30 PM HB68
02:54:45 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Consideration of Appointees: Select TELECONFERENCED
Committee on Legislative Ethics- Gerald "Jerry"
McBeath and Deborah Fancher
*+ HB 68 CRIME OF SEX/HUMAN TRAFFICKING TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
             HB  68-CRIME OF SEX/HUMAN TRAFFICKING                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:37:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE announced  that the final order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO.  68,  "An   Act  relating  to  sex  trafficking;                                                               
establishing the crime of patron  of a victim of sex trafficking;                                                               
relating  to   the  crime  of  human   trafficking;  relating  to                                                               
prostitution; relating to sentencing  for sex trafficking, patron                                                               
of  a   victim  of  sex   trafficking,  and   human  trafficking;                                                               
establishing  the  process  for vacating  judgments  for  certain                                                               
convictions   of   prostitution   and  misconduct   involving   a                                                               
controlled  substance;  relating  to   the  Council  on  Domestic                                                               
Violence  and   Sexual  Assault;   relating  to   permanent  fund                                                               
dividends for certain individuals  whose convictions are vacated;                                                               
and providing for an effective date."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:37:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  SKIDMORE, Assistant  Attorney  General, Criminal  Division,                                                               
Department of Law (DOL), presented HB  68, on behalf of the House                                                               
Rules  Standing Committee,  sponsor by  request of  the governor.                                                               
He paraphrased the transmittal letter  [included in the committee                                                               
packet], which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Under the authority of Article  III, Section 18, of the                                                                    
     Alaska  Constitution,  I  am  transmitting  a  bill  to                                                                    
     clarify and improve Alaska's  sex trafficking and human                                                                    
     trafficking laws;  establish the  crime of patron  of a                                                                    
     victim of sex  trafficking; and create a  process for a                                                                    
     sex  trafficking victim  convicted  of prostitution  to                                                                    
     have that conviction vacated.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's   sex   trafficking  and   human   trafficking                                                                    
     statutes do  not adequately address the  serious nature                                                                    
     of  these offenses  or  provide sufficient  protections                                                                    
     for  underage victims.  The current  language in  these                                                                    
     statutes is archaic and fails  to address the realities                                                                    
     faced  by  individuals forced  into  the  labor or  sex                                                                    
     trade,  creating situations  where victims  are unaided                                                                    
     and perpetrators go undetected.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     This   legislation    will   restructure    the   human                                                                    
     trafficking  and sex  trafficking  statutes to  address                                                                    
     the realities  of how these offenses  are committed and                                                                    
     to  protect underage  victims. The  bill increases  the                                                                    
     penalties  for all  forms of  trafficking, placing  the                                                                    
     most serious  classification on  those crimes  that use                                                                    
     force to  traffic an  underage person.  Sex trafficking                                                                    
     in the first,  second, and third degree  is now treated                                                                    
     as  a sex  offense for  purpose of  sentencing, thereby                                                                    
     enhancing the  penalties. Sex trafficking in  the first                                                                    
     and  second  degree  would also  require  sex  offender                                                                    
     registration, while  sex trafficking  in the  third and                                                                    
     fourth degree would not require registration.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The  legislation  also  establishes the  new  crime  of                                                                    
     "patron of  a victim of  sex trafficking." While  it is                                                                    
     crucial to target those who  traffic individuals, it is                                                                    
     equally important to address  those who create a demand                                                                    
     for victims  of sex trafficking,  specifically underage                                                                    
     victims.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The  legislation  also  targets  person  who  patronize                                                                    
     those  engaging in  sex work.  First, it  increases the                                                                    
     penalties  for this  conduct and  establishes mandatory                                                                    
     minimums  based on  the  number of  times  a person  is                                                                    
     convicted. If a person  is convicted three times within                                                                    
     five  years,  the offense  will  become  a felony.  Sex                                                                    
     trafficking would  not exist without those  who pay for                                                                    
     sex.  We cannot  begin to  address this  scourge if  we                                                                    
     continue to  look the other  way as  people continually                                                                    
     fund the sex trafficking industry.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Finally,  the legislation  establishes  a mechanism  by                                                                    
     which a  person convicted of prostitution  or low-level                                                                    
     drug  possession can  request  that  the conviction  be                                                                    
     vacated if  they were  a victim  of sex  trafficking at                                                                    
     the time  of the offense.  The threat of  being charged                                                                    
     with a  crime is often something  that traffickers will                                                                    
     use  to  continue  to  control  their  victims.  It  is                                                                    
     important for  society to recognize that  these victims                                                                    
     often  have no  other choice,  and they  should not  be                                                                    
     treated as  criminals when they  are, in  fact, victims                                                                    
     themselves.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Human  trafficking and  sex  trafficking are  insidious                                                                    
     crimes that  ruin lives. It  is time that  our statutes                                                                    
     adequately  address  the   devastation  this  predatory                                                                    
     conduct has on  our society and protect  those who need                                                                    
     it most.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     I  urge  your  prompt  and  favorable  action  on  this                                                                    
     measure.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:51:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KACI  SCHROEDER, Assistant  Attorney General,  Criminal Division,                                                               
DOL, on behalf of the  House Rules Standing Committee, sponsor by                                                               
request of the governor, presented  the sectional analysis for HB
68  [included in  the committee  packet], which  read as  follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1.  This section makes  a conforming  change to                                                                    
     reflect the amendments made in section 4.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section    2.   This    section   makes    confidential                                                                    
     communications between a victim  of sex trafficking and                                                                    
     a victim counselor privileged.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3.  This section makes  a conforming  change to                                                                    
     reflect the amendments made in section 4.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4.  This section enacts  a new  offense series:                                                                    
     sex  trafficking  in  the   first,  second,  and  third                                                                    
     degrees.  In  essence,  a  person   is  guilty  of  sex                                                                    
     trafficking  in  the  first  degree  (unclassified  sex                                                                    
     felony) if the  person (1) uses force or  the threat of                                                                    
     force  to  coerce someone  to  engage  in a  commercial                                                                    
     sexual acts; (2) traffics a  person under the age of 20                                                                    
     or  who  is  in  the person's  legal  custody;  or  (3)                                                                    
     manages,   supervises,  or   controls  a   prostitution                                                                    
     enterprise or a place of prostitution.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     A person  is guilty  of sex  trafficking in  the second                                                                    
     degree (class  A sex felony)  if the person  induces or                                                                    
     causes another  person to  engage in  commercial sexual                                                                    
     acts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Sex trafficking  in the first and  second degrees would                                                                    
     be sentenced  under the  enhanced penalties  for sexual                                                                    
     felonies and  the person would be  required to register                                                                    
     as a sex offender.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     A  person is  guilty of  sex trafficking  in the  third                                                                    
     degree if the person  provides resources in furtherance                                                                    
     of the  commission of sex trafficking.  Sex trafficking                                                                    
     in the  third degree is a  class B felony if  the value                                                                    
     of   the   resources   provided   in   furtherance   of                                                                    
     trafficking is $200 or more or  a class C felony if the                                                                    
     value  of   the  resources  is  less   than  $200.  Sex                                                                    
     trafficking  in  the third  degree  is  sentenced as  a                                                                    
     class B or  C sex felony and is not  a registerable sex                                                                    
     offense.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     This section also enacts the  new crime of "patron of a                                                                    
     victim  of  sex trafficking."  A  person  is guilty  of                                                                    
     being a patron  of a victim of sex  trafficking if they                                                                    
     solicit commercial sexual  acts with reckless disregard                                                                    
     that the person they are  soliciting is a victim of sex                                                                    
     trafficking,  or if  they solicit  sexual  acts from  a                                                                    
     person under the age of  18. If the person solicited is                                                                    
     under 18 years  of age, this offense will be  a class B                                                                    
     sex felony. If  the person solicited is  an adult, this                                                                    
     offense will be a class  C sex felony. This crime would                                                                    
     be sentenced  under the  enhanced penalties  for sexual                                                                    
     felonies and  the person would be  required to register                                                                    
     as a sex offender.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section  5.  This section  amends  the  crime of  human                                                                    
     trafficking in  the first degree to  be an unclassified                                                                    
     felony when  the person induces  or causes a  person to                                                                    
     engage in adult entertainment  or labor through the use                                                                    
     of force against  the victim or if the  victim is under                                                                    
     the age of 20.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6. This section  denotes that human trafficking                                                                    
     in the first degree is an unclassified felony.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section  7. This  section amends  human trafficking  in                                                                    
     the second  degree to include  situations in  which the                                                                    
     person induces  or causes another  person to  engage in                                                                    
     adult entertainment or labor by                                                                                            
     (1)  exposing  or  threatening to  expose  confidential                                                                    
     information  or  a  secret,   whether  true  or  false,                                                                    
     tending  to subject  a person  to hatred,  contempt, or                                                                    
     ridicule;                                                                                                                  
     (2) destroying,  concealing, or threatening  to destroy                                                                    
     or  conceal   an  actual   or  purported   passport  or                                                                    
     immigration  document or  another  actual or  purported                                                                    
     identification document of any person;                                                                                     
     (3)  threatening to  report a  person  to a  government                                                                    
     agency for the purpose of arrest or deportation;                                                                           
     (4) threatening to collect a debt;                                                                                         
     (5) instilling in another person  a fear that the actor                                                                    
     will withhold from any  person lodging, food, clothing,                                                                    
     or medication;                                                                                                             
     (6)  providing  or  withholding  controlled  substances                                                                    
     from the person; or                                                                                                        
     (7) deceiving the victim.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Under  this section,  human trafficking  in the  second                                                                    
     degree is a class A felony.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8. This  section enacts the new  crime of human                                                                    
     trafficking in the third degree.  A person is guilty of                                                                    
     human trafficking  in the third degree  if they provide                                                                    
     resources  in furtherance  of human  trafficking. Human                                                                    
     trafficking in the third degree  is a class B felony if                                                                    
     the value of the resources is  $200 or more and a class                                                                    
     C felony  if the  value of the  resources is  less than                                                                    
     $200.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The section also clarifies  that human trafficking does                                                                    
     not include normal caretaker  interactions with a minor                                                                    
     (for example, asking a child  to shovel the driveway in                                                                    
     exchange for an item of clothing etc.).                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The   section   also   clarifies   current   law   that                                                                    
     corroboration   of   a   victim's  testimony   is   not                                                                    
     necessary. A jury  has the ability to  convict based on                                                                    
     a  victim's testimony  alone. This  language is  simply                                                                    
     relocated to  AS 11.41 along  with the rest of  the sex                                                                    
     trafficking  statutes.  The  section also  makes  clear                                                                    
     that  any   property  used  to  commit   sex  or  human                                                                    
     trafficking may be forfeited.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section  9. This  section clarifies  that the  crime of                                                                    
     coercion is only  to be used if the  sex trafficking or                                                                    
     human trafficking elements are not present.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 10.  This section is a  conforming change which                                                                    
     references  the new  sex  trafficking  statutes in  the                                                                    
     prostitution statute.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section  11. This  section  increases  the penalty  for                                                                    
     being a "John" from a class  B misdemeanor to a class A                                                                    
     misdemeanor. Upon a third  conviction within five years                                                                    
     for being a "John", the  offense is again elevated to a                                                                    
     class C felony.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section 12.  This section  states that  if a  "John" is                                                                    
     convicted  under  the  class   C  felony  provision  in                                                                    
     section 11,  any property used  in order to  commit the                                                                    
     offense may be forfeited.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Sections  13 and  14.  These  sections make  conforming                                                                    
     changes related to  the amendments made in  section 4 -                                                                    
     9.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section  15. This  section  adds  the definitions  that                                                                    
     apply  to   the  prostitution  statutes  and   the  sex                                                                    
     trafficking statutes to  the general definition statute                                                                    
     in Title 11 (AS 11.81.900).                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 16.  This section establishes that  there is no                                                                    
     statute of  limitations for  sex trafficking  and human                                                                    
     trafficking in  the first and second  degrees. However,                                                                    
     the statute  of limitations for sex  trafficking in the                                                                    
     third degree and human trafficking  in the third degree                                                                    
     is ten years.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section  17.  This  section  makes  conforming  changes                                                                    
     reflecting the amendments to  sex trafficking and human                                                                    
     trafficking.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section   18.    This   section    makes   confidential                                                                    
     communications between a victim  of sex trafficking and                                                                    
     a victim counselor privileged.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Sections  19  -  21.  These  sections  make  conforming                                                                    
     changes  to  sex   trafficking  and  human  trafficking                                                                    
     references that appear in those statutes.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section  22.   This  section  establishes   that  human                                                                    
     trafficking,  as   an  unclassified  felony,   will  be                                                                    
     sentenced between 5 and 99 years.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 23.  This section  amends AS  12.55.125(i) (the                                                                    
     sex offense sentencing  statutes) incorporating the new                                                                    
     sex trafficking statutes and patron  of a victim of sex                                                                    
     trafficking statute.  This ensures that  these offenses                                                                    
     will  be subject  to  the  higher sentences  associated                                                                    
     with sex offenses. This section  also corrects an error                                                                    
     in  the citation  of unlawful  exploitation of  a minor                                                                    
     under  AS 11.41.455(c)(1)  and  indecent  viewing of  a                                                                    
     picture under AS 11.61.123.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 24. This  section establishes mandatory minimum                                                                    
     terms  of imprisonment  for  repeat  "Johns." Upon  the                                                                    
     second conviction  with five years, the  person will be                                                                    
     subject  to  a class  A  misdemeanor  with a  mandatory                                                                    
     minimum  of  72  hours  to  serve.  If  the  person  is                                                                    
     convicted three times within five  years, the person is                                                                    
     subject to the class C felony sentencing provisions.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 25.  This section  makes conforming  changes to                                                                    
     the definition of "most  serious felony" reflecting the                                                                    
     new sex trafficking statutes.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section  26.  This  section adds  sex  trafficking  and                                                                    
     patron  of   a  victim   of  sex  trafficking   to  the                                                                    
     definition   of  "sexual   felony"  and   corrects  the                                                                    
     citation  to indecent  viewing of  a  picture under  AS                                                                    
     11.61.123.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section  27.   This  section   makes  changes   to  the                                                                    
     definition of "serious offense"  reflecting the new sex                                                                    
     trafficking and human trafficking statutes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 28.  This section adds  sex trafficking  in the                                                                    
     first and second degrees and  patron of a victim of sex                                                                    
     trafficking to  the list of registerable  sex offenses.                                                                    
     This  section also  corrects the  citation to  indecent                                                                    
     viewing or production of a picture under AS 11.61.123.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 29. This section  establishes a process whereby                                                                    
     a  person who  has been  convicted of  prostitution can                                                                    
     get that  conviction or a conviction  for possession of                                                                    
     a  controlled substance  vacated  if they  are able  to                                                                    
     show that they were a  victim of sex trafficking at the                                                                    
     time   that  they   committed  the   offense.  If   the                                                                    
     conviction  is  vacated,  the   court  system  may  not                                                                    
     publish   records  relating   to   the  conviction   on                                                                    
     CourtView  nor  may  the Department  of  Public  Safety                                                                    
     release  that  information  as part  of  an  employment                                                                    
     background check.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Sections 30 - 32. These  sections add the prevention of                                                                    
     sex  trafficking to  the subjects  that the  Council on                                                                    
     Domestic  Violence and  Sexual Assault  should consider                                                                    
     and develop educational materials and programs for.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Sections  33 and  34.  These  sections make  conforming                                                                    
     changes    to    the    limitations    on    privileged                                                                    
     communications and  add a victim of  sex trafficking to                                                                    
     the definition of "victim."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section   35.  This   section  adds   victims  of   sex                                                                    
     trafficking  to  the  list of  victims  whom  a  crisis                                                                    
     intervention  and  prevention  program is  designed  to                                                                    
     assist.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section   36.  This   section  adds   victims  of   sex                                                                    
     trafficking  to the  list of  victims  who can  receive                                                                    
     assistance from the Violent Crimes Compensation Board.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 37. This section allows  the public defender to                                                                    
     represent  an  indigent  person during  a  vacation  of                                                                    
     judgment proceeding.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Sections  38 and  39.  These  sections make  conforming                                                                    
     changes  referencing  the  changes   made  to  the  sex                                                                    
     trafficking statutes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 40.  This section  makes a  person who  has had                                                                    
     their conviction for  prostitution vacated eligible for                                                                    
     a permanent fund dividend.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section  41.  This  section  authorizes  administrative                                                                    
     subpoenas  for sex  trafficking in  the first,  second,                                                                    
     and third degrees.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Sections  42  -  45.  These  sections  make  conforming                                                                    
     changes  referencing  the  changes   made  to  the  sex                                                                    
     trafficking statutes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 46. This section is the repealer section.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 47. This section  is the applicability section.                                                                    
     The  majority  of  this bill  will  apply  to  offenses                                                                    
     occurring on or after the effective date.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section  48.   This  section  makes  the   vacation  of                                                                    
     judgment sections  of the bill effective  on January 1,                                                                    
     2024.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section  49. This  section makes  the remainder  of the                                                                    
     bill effective July 1, 2023.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER noted that all changes would be applied                                                                           
prospectively.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:06:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  VANCE asked  Ms. Schroder  to provide  the definitions  of                                                               
"adult entertainment" and "commercial sexual act."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER  noted that the  definitions were found on  page 11                                                               
[Section 15] of  HB 68.  The definition  of "adult entertainment"                                                               
included  simulated acts,  such as  sexual penetration;  the lewd                                                               
exhibition or touching  of a person's genitals,  anus, or breast;                                                               
or  bestiality,  she  explained.   "Commercial  sexual  act"  was                                                               
defined as "a sexual act for  which anything of value is given or                                                               
received by  any person; in  this paragraph, 'anything  of value'                                                               
does not  include compensation for reasonably  apportioned shared                                                               
expenses  of a  residence."   She  expounded,  relating that  the                                                               
sharing of rent  between two sex workers would not  count for the                                                               
purposes of the definition.   Lastly, she noted that "sexual act"                                                               
meant sexual penetration or sexual conduct.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  VANCE inquired  about  the differences  in  statute.   She                                                               
sought to verify that some  adult entertainment was legal whereas                                                               
commercial sexual acts were not.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER  clarified  that "commercial  sexual  act"  was  a                                                               
broader  term  used  in  relation  to  sex  trafficking,  whereas                                                               
"commercial   sexual   conduct"   was  used   in   the   existing                                                               
prostitution statutes.   She explained that both  terms were used                                                               
in HB 68 to preserve the prostitution statues.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:09:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD  asked Ms. Schroeder to  provide an example                                                               
of paragraph (69), subparagraphs (A) and (B), in Section 15.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER   explained  that   paragraph  (69)   offered  the                                                               
definition of "adult entertainment,"  which was targeted at strip                                                               
clubs.   She  explained that  forcing someone  to remove  his/her                                                               
clothes or dance in any  other manner exhibiting the individual's                                                               
body would  be considered  human trafficking,  as opposed  to sex                                                               
trafficking.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD  asked what would  happen if an  adult were                                                               
engaging in that behavior in front of a child.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER  shared   her  understanding  that  Representative                                                               
Allard was referring to the  separate crime of indecent exposure,                                                               
which was unrelated to the bill.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:11:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE  asked whether employment  was a qualifier  for adult                                                               
entertainment.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER answered yes.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE  asked whether  "prostitution" and  "sex trafficking"                                                               
were defined in the bill.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER cited  AS 11.41.345 [Sex trafficking  in the second                                                               
degree] on  page 3  for the core  definition of  sex trafficking.                                                               
Similarly, the definition of prostitution  was found in the crime                                                               
itself under AS 11.66.100.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:14:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  inquired  about  the  legal  distinction                                                               
between prostitution and sex trafficking.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER said  the main difference was  that sex trafficking                                                               
involved a third party, or  the individual who is forcing another                                                               
person  to  engage  in  a commercial  sexual  act.    Conversely,                                                               
prostitution was the selling of sex by an individual.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN asked  whether an  employer who  fired an                                                               
employee would be considered "withholding."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER said  it  would need  to be  more  direct, as  the                                                               
intent was not to interfere  with employers who engage in normal,                                                               
legal conduct.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  asked  whether  perception  mattered  in                                                               
reference  to  the  simulation  of  illegal,  indecent,  or  lewd                                                               
exhibition, act, or practice.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER   answered  no,  it  would   still  be  considered                                                               
simulated.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:17:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH directed attention  to the provision relating                                                               
to vacation in HB 68, which  included a later effective date.  He                                                               
asked for the rationale behind that decision.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER shared  her understanding  that  the Alaska  Court                                                               
System  ("the  court  system") requested  the  delayed  effective                                                               
date.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:18:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NANCY  MEADE, General  Counsel,  Alaska  Court System,  confirmed                                                               
that the provision in question  would affect processes within the                                                               
court  system;   consequently,  a  delayed  effective   date  was                                                               
requested to ensure timely implementation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH inquired about  factual scenarios or defenses                                                               
that might arise in the prosecution  of AS 11.41.355 [Patron of a                                                               
victim of sex trafficking."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER acknowledged that it  would be a difficult crime to                                                               
routinely  prove; nonetheless,  she  stated  that the  department                                                               
wanted to have the necessary  tools for conviction when possible.                                                               
She remarked,  "someone would have  to have  a reason    to think                                                               
that  the  person  they  solicited  from  was  a  victim  of  sex                                                               
trafficking."  She provided examples.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH  expressed his desire  to have tough  laws on                                                               
sex  trafficking  in  Alaska;  however,   he  opined  that  fewer                                                               
resources should be put  towards fighting voluntary prostitution.                                                               
He inquired about DOL's position on "drawing that line."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER deferred to Mr. Skidmore.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:22:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE asked Representative Groh to restate the question.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH inquired about  DOL's philosophy in regard to                                                               
the  distribution  of  resources [for  fighting  sex  trafficking                                                               
versus prostitution].                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  clarified  that  the bill  would  not  impact  the                                                               
selling of commercial sex, other  than sex trafficking.  Further,                                                               
HB  68  would  provide  additional  protections  for  individuals                                                               
reporting sex trafficking to ensure  that the reporters would not                                                               
be  prosecuted  as   a  patron  of  prostitution.     Lastly,  he                                                               
reiterated that the bill would  introduce the concept of vacating                                                               
previous  convictions for  prostitution if  the individual  was a                                                               
victim  of sex  trafficking.   He submitted  that the  bill would                                                               
ensure  that  resources  were  devoted to  the  area  of  primary                                                               
concern,  which was  sex trafficking,  as opposed  to individuals                                                               
engaging in prostitution on their own accord.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:25:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  VANCE asked  why Alaska  Statutes weren't  consistent with                                                               
the federal definition of human  trafficking, which included both                                                               
labor and sex trafficking.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE   provided  the  rationale,  explaining   that  sex                                                               
trafficking was  viewed as  a more  serious violation  than human                                                               
trafficking and  for that reason,  the state had chosen  to carve                                                               
out sentences for sex offenses with greater penalties.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:28:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C. JOHNSON asked why  the crime of sex trafficking                                                               
was separated into the first, second, and third degree.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE stated  that sex  trafficking in  the first  degree                                                               
captured  the  most significant  conduct,  including  the use  of                                                               
force  to cause  another person  to engage  in commercial  sexual                                                               
acts.  Sex  trafficking in the second degree  was associated with                                                               
inducing  another person  to  engage in  commercial  sex acts  by                                                               
deception or coercion.   Sex trafficking in the  third degree, he                                                               
said,  spoke to  a person  who provided  services, resources,  or                                                               
other assistance  in the  furtherance of  sex trafficking  in the                                                               
first or second degree, thereby advancing the enterprise.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  C. JOHNSON  opined  that  all the  aforementioned                                                               
conduct [outlined in  the crime of sex trafficking  in the first,                                                               
second, and  third degree]  was heinous.   He suggested  that all                                                               
the  behavior  described by  Mr.  Skidmore  should be  classified                                                               
under sex trafficking in the first degree.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE responded that in  Alaska Statutes, the variation of                                                               
conduct   was  often   separated   and   classified  by   degree.                                                               
Ultimately, he said, it was a policy call.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:35:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  asked  whether slavery  was  illegal  in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  shared his understanding  that slavery  was illegal                                                               
under current human trafficking laws.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  asked why  a distinction was  being drawn                                                               
between human trafficking,  which he equated to  slavery, and sex                                                               
trafficking.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  clarified  that   the  distinction  between  human                                                               
trafficking and sex trafficking  was the difference between labor                                                               
trafficking and forcing someone to  engage in sexual conduct.  He                                                               
reiterated that  while both were  bad, Alaska Statutes  applied a                                                               
harsher penalty to the sexual conduct.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:37:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  maintained his  belief that  there should                                                               
not be  a distinction between  the penalties for  sex trafficking                                                               
and  human trafficking.    He asked,  "Has there  been  a lot  of                                                               
thought put  into this or  did we  just borrow the  template from                                                               
our other statutes and, sort of, apply it to this situation?"                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  disputed the notion  that the bill was  a template;                                                               
nonetheless,  he acknowledged  that  it  used existing  statutory                                                               
structures.  He referred  to Section 6 on page 5  of the bill and                                                               
argued that human trafficking was  treated more significantly, as                                                               
HB 68 sought  to increase the penalties for  human trafficking in                                                               
the  first and  second  degree.   He  opined  that  the bill  was                                                               
appropriately addressing the horrendous  conduct that occurred in                                                               
human trafficking.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN directed  attention to  page 6,  line 25,                                                               
and asked  why corroboration  would not  be required  for certain                                                               
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE   clarified  that  the  statute   in  question,  AS                                                               
11.41.368, was preexisting.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN asked  whether the  provision applied  to                                                               
other crimes as well.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE said  the concept applied elsewhere.   He cited case                                                               
law  that discussed  whether a  sex  worker could  be trusted  or                                                               
believed.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN returned to  the definition of "commercial                                                               
sex  act"  on  page  11, which  he  characterized  as  "strangely                                                               
specific  and somewhat  weird."    He asked  why  it referred  to                                                               
shared expenses of a residence.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE stated that the  intent was to exclude roommates who                                                               
were pooling their  resources to pay for utilities  and rent from                                                               
the definition of commercial sex act.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN requested an example.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE declined.   He reiterated that  under the definition                                                               
of prostitution, it  was still illegal for a person  to engage in                                                               
sex acts in  exchange for something of value.   He added that the                                                               
intent was to  ensure that only those people  who were compelling                                                               
others  to engage  in sexual  conduct could  be charged  with sex                                                               
trafficking,  as  opposed  to  sex workers  who  were  sharing  a                                                               
residence.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN asked whether  the definition of "selling"                                                               
included the trading of victims.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  stated that any  transaction in which  any anything                                                               
of value was  traded for a sex act would  qualify as a commercial                                                               
sex act.  He sought to clarify the meaning of victim trading.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:47:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN provided a hypothetical scenario.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  confirmed  that the  scenario  in  question  would                                                               
qualify as a commercial sex act.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  asked whether a school  bus attendant, as                                                               
opposed to  a school  bus driver,  would be  barred from  work if                                                               
convicted of the offenses outlined in HB 68.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE did  not know  whether school  bus attendants  were                                                               
included.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   EASTMAN  asked   how   reckless  disregard   was                                                               
distinguished from normal disregard.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  discussed the concepts  of mens rea, or  the mental                                                               
element,  and actus  reus,  or the  act itself.    He noted  that                                                               
"reckless" was defined under AS 11.81.900(a)(3) as follows:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          (3) a  person acts "recklessly" with  respect to a                                                                    
     result or  to a  circumstance described by  a provision                                                                    
     of law defining an offense  when the person is aware of                                                                    
     and   consciously   disregards    a   substantial   and                                                                    
     unjustifiable risk  that the result will  occur or that                                                                    
     the circumstance  exists; the  risk must  be of  such a                                                                    
     nature and  degree that disregard  of it  constitutes a                                                                    
     gross  deviation from  the standard  of conduct  that a                                                                    
     reasonable  person would  observe in  the situation;  a                                                                    
     person who  is unaware  of a risk  of which  the person                                                                    
     would  have  been  aware  had   that  person  not  been                                                                    
     intoxicated acts recklessly with respect to that risk;                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE announced that HB 68 was held over.                                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Deb Fancher Resume (2022).pdf HJUD 3/10/2023 1:00:00 PM
Jerry McBeath (CV 2022).pdf HJUD 3/10/2023 1:00:00 PM
HB 68 - Transmittal Letter.pdf HJUD 3/10/2023 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/22/2023 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/12/2023 1:00:00 PM
HB 68
HB 68 - v.A.PDF HJUD 3/10/2023 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/22/2023 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/12/2023 1:00:00 PM
HB 68
HB 68 - Sectional Analysis.pdf HJUD 3/10/2023 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/22/2023 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/12/2023 1:00:00 PM
HB 68
HB 68 - Highlights.pdf HJUD 3/10/2023 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/22/2023 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/12/2023 1:00:00 PM
HB 68
HB 68 - Fiscal Notes (1-9).pdf HJUD 3/10/2023 1:00:00 PM
HB 68